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Category: Rants, Politics, Ponderings            Sunday, July 23, 2006 at 1:08 pm

I’m reading a book entitled Edge of Battle by Dale Brown, which is a fictional novel about illegal immigration.  In the book, terriorists start using the Mexican border to cross into the U.S. and do harm. The fictional president enacts an offensive and upsets a lot of people who think he is militarizing the border and acting like a bigot, xenophobe, and racist.  I’m only on page 90 of 300 or 400, but it has already inspired me to rethinking my opinions on illegal immigration.

Last time I posted anything on the topic, my stance was rather wishy-washy, however no I’m swaying more  toward the idea that:  illegal immigrants are criminals.  I don’t really think it matters why you want to come into the country, doing so at an undesignated border crossing is still illegal and that makes you a trespasser, at the least, and a criminal, at the most.  Its not that I want to prevent Mexicans the opportunity to come to the U.S., they just need to do it legally and the U.S. administration has a duty to improve the legal immigration procedures such that legal migration is a viable option.

Also I’m so sick of the excuse that:  illegals will do jobs Americans won’t.  If you mean they will subject themselves to near slave labor and not complain because they are afraid of deportation, then yes Americans won’t do slave labor.  However, Americans would willing do the job tasks themselves, if they were treated humanely and paid a living wage to do so!  The employers of illegals need to be procesuted more so then the illegal immigrants themselves.  There would not be illegal immigration if there were no jobs.

I’m sure y’all have different opinions and I’d like to hear them!

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Comment by tizzom

July 23, 2006 @ 1:45 pm

Like issues in the Middle East, the root of the problem is much broader than what an ad-hoc fix can fix.

In this instance I think the problem is caused by an economic devide between two adjacent nations. I think we have it rather lucky actually. Just think if the situation in Mexico were more like that of Haiti, what would happen then?

People never talk about the economic divide in an international context around here. I like to think of borders as a semi-permeable membrane where osmosis (the force of people desiring something better) will always bring people who need something, to a place that has what they want.

I used to wonder why instead of coming here and working hard, why they do not stay home and work hard to make things better. I now think that the resources to do so are just not available to the individual.

Maybe if we want to fix the problem here, we need to help Mexico get what they need to help them help the individual. Help them with education, defining and managing their resources.

Anyways…

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Comment by nikkiana

July 23, 2006 @ 8:18 pm

When I hear people bring up the point “illegals will do jobs Americans won’t” what comes to mind for me is where my mother works.

She works at a wholesale plant nursery… Now, the nursery she works at doesn’t happen to employ very many immigrants, I think mostly because they want to offer an alternative to McDonalds to Americans who only have a high school education. They pay a living wage and treat their employees extremely well, however, you’re expected to actually work… You’d be surprised how many people either A. walk off the job within the first week or B. get fired because they don’t want to actually do the job they’ve been hired to do.

Where my mother works tends to be somewhat of an anomaly for nurseries their size… It’s far more common to hire immigrants (there are some that hire illegally, but most hire legally)… I’m sure part of the reason is because hiring immigrants is cheaper than hiring Americans but also because the hiring an American is far more risky in the long run because they’re more liable to walk off the job in a week because it’s “too hard” or they’re going to be more lazy than an immigrant worker.

I think what bothers me so much about when people say immigrants will do jobs that Americans won’t is the fact that it’s in part true… We may have problems with illegal immigration, but we’ve got problems with the work ethic of our own workers too.

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Comment by scientist

July 24, 2006 @ 12:59 pm

True that Tizzom and Nikkiana!

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